What If You Quit Before the World Catches Up? | With Eric Lewis of EC Convos [E26]

SPEAKER_00 0:59

When I I was speaking with Sanita Kumar, it was a little different. It felt as if I was supposed to speak to her at this exact moment. Like it was designed to happen that way. Welcome back to another episode of EC Convo's, the place to have cool conversations with cool people. I am, of course, Eric, your host. And as always, you could have been anywhere else, but you chose to be here with me. And I truly appreciate it. I won't get into the specifics of what was discussed, but there was one thing that stood out the most. She said, Eric, you have a voice that can be trusted. That is your calling, and that will take you far. So I realized that a couple months ago before I started EC Convo's, I was about to do this generic run-of-the-mill gossip and pop culture podcast. Thankfully, I shelved that idea because it wasn't really me. I was trying to do the same thing that every other podcaster on social media and everywhere else is doing. When I went back to the drawing board and broke things down to a cellular level, I realized something pretty important. I wanted to get back to the core of conversations. Genuinely be interested in something that somebody has to say. Listening with the intent to understand, not with the intent to respond. I've been having a lot of fun doing this. I truly do feel like it's my calling. The conversations with my guests on EC Convo's have all flowed naturally. But it's funny though, because when I was speaking with Sanita Kumar, it was a little different. It felt as if I was supposed to speak to her at this exact moment. Like it was designed to happen that way. It felt right at home, actually. Sanita is a business strategist. Actually, no, she's much more than that. She's a business alchemist and clarity architect for established entrepreneurs. She's not just a hear the solution to fix the issue type of person. That's not her at all. She's what I like to call a foundational strategist, getting down to the root cause of your business issues and shifting it to build success. And she is absolutely amazing at it. And on top of that, she also hosts two different podcasts, one called the Clear Signal Podcast and the other one called The Dark Matter Show, both great extensions of her vibrant and unapologetic personality. Y'all, we talk about a lot of things like the human design chart. Like I said earlier, I felt like I was supposed to talk to her at this exact moment. So I'm starting to feel like nothing is a coincidence now. Everything is by design. Man, I enjoyed every bit of this conversation, and I hope you do too. You can learn a lot from it. But as I always say, don't take my word for it. Sit back and enjoy this awesome conversation with Sunita Kumar. Thank you again. Thank you so much, Sunita, switch for coming on to the show. And I have a lot of questions. When we first talked about it, like coming on to the show and everything, to EC Convos, I was like, okay, cool. I started doing a little bit more research about you and doing more research into what you do. You are considered you are a business alchemist, right? And uh a clarity architect, entrepreneurs. But on the flip side, you also have another podcast. Your first podcast is called Yes. And the second one is called Dark Matter, which is yeah, I like both of them a lot. And so I I did some research on both of them and I listened to them. And one of the main things that that captured my attention, because I knew nothing about it, and I want you to explain a little bit of it, is the human design model. So I started doing some research on it, and I'm like, okay, I don't know what that is, or whatever. But before I share what my number is, I would like for you to talk to the people about who you are, what you do, and everything else.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

First of all, I want to say that I love it, a host who does research. Because I just did a an episode two days ago, and I felt like he had no idea what I did or anything. And he's like, Can you come in here and teach human design? I was like, There are people who have human design podcasts that are three years and running twice a week. No, I'm not a free teacher. Clear signal, dark matter show, very different energies. You've probably sensed very two different sides of my personality. So, what I do, business alchemist, clarity architect sounds like a made-up title. The reason is because I'm not like a coach. I come from a deep background business. I've been in business for 20 years, entrepreneur 15 years. I have an MBA, I've worked at the biggest brands, biggest agencies, all the things. This is fairly new. And I come in and I can see what's not working.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

So I'm almost like a consultant meets precision guide. The reason I use the word alchemist is because I do work with energy. The shift that I do is quantum. People say one session with me is six months of business coaching. That was a client quote. I didn't make that up. It's the notion that we don't have to do everything in a linear way. And to be honest, a lot of business advice is very inefficient.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

It's designed to keep you in the system versus move you forward. Buy my next course, get to the next level, you need more time with me versus let's actually solve the problem.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Yeah. It's almost like a band-aid, right? Going to or even just going to the going to the doctor, right? Like if you have an issue with something, instead of getting to the root cause of the issue, they will actually just give you prescriptions or something like that, just to say, okay. And you talked about that on one of your podcast episodes that I listened to where you said that I think you called them like the bros or something like that, where like some of the previous self-help gurus and things like that or whatever, like you said, they would get you only to a certain portion of it. And then they say, okay, buy my next course to get to the next portion and then the next portion. Versus with you, you were more of a let's just get to the to the brass tacks of it all. Let's figure out what's going in from the root, and then let's try to fix it from the root.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

So this is not because I'm trying to like share all my degrees, but I have a background in engineering, right? I have a second master's in functional medicine. I got that a long time ago before people were talking about root cause medicine. What is functional medicine? You are a body of parts. You are not a leg. If you're losing you need to lose weight, it's not just you need to stop eating. There's a lot of factors going on there. There's hormones, there's lifestyle, there's antecedents, root cause medicine. This is root cause business.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Right, right. And that's what that's sorely what's missing right now because people don't do that anyway they don't do that. I don't know of anyone who actually works on that type of business model, right? Where you go in and you just say, okay, so we can do this and we can get to this portion of it or whatever, but again, you have to buy this portion just to get to the next portion and the next portion. It's chaos to me. And when you think about it, when as you said earlier, you can just get to the root cause of it and just deal with it, you know?

SPEAKER_04 7:58

Yeah. And I'll tell you why they don't do it. Because people don't want root cause. They want the tactic. That sells. I just did a local podcast. I'm not a podcast specialist. One of the things is that human design, which we're going to talk about, one of the analogies I gave there is that let's pretend we had a salad bar outside. Because that thing, the group meets around noon in person. So I said, let's pretend we had a huge salad bar outside and there was 25 condiments and all the vegetables, mix and match. All you guys get your salad. We all go back in the room, and I look at every one of your salads. No two one of you is going to have the exact same recipe. Probably. And I'm not counting spouses who tend to eat the same after a while. Everyone's got their own salad. That is you. And that is human design. And that is that you are a unique electromagnetic signature, which I'll talk a little bit about as we go, but let's just for now call it your recipe so that people can follow along.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Right.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

What I wanted to do is share for podcasters, these guys are hobbyists to business owners, to everything in between, was like, hey, why aren't you designing your podcast based off of your recipe? Why are you designing your podcast based on some millionaire with a team who's got 50,000 Instagram followers, or let's say 50 million Instagram followers, what do they have to do with you? Is anyone listening to you because they think you're them? No. Okay. So this is the presentation I gave. And I guarantee you that if I had been there saying I'm gonna sell you this growth tactic, here is what you're missing. That room would have been twice as full.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

I believe it. I believe it without Wow.

SPEAKER_04 9:36

So as a business owner, why would I do this? I can make way more money doing that.

unknown 9:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

I'm gonna spend a lot more time educating people who are like, oh gee, human design is cool. Let me check it out. That's not gonna make me money. I've spread the joy, I've spread the broadened your worldview. So that's why people don't do it because it's ethical, but it's not necessarily what people want.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

It's not common, right? It's different from everything else that you see on social media, like you said, like somebody with 50 million followers or 100,000 followers. It's the exact opposite. And for the most part, a lot of times people don't believe that it works because no one else is talking about it, no one else is venturing into it or whatever. They're going based on what these other gurus or whatever are talking about, thinking that the way that they got successful will be the exact same way that you'll get successful. When everything is it's out everything is different. Like you your path to success will be completely different from anyone else's path to success. And sometimes obviously people will be like, okay, I would use that, I'll use this person with 300,000 followers or whatever as inspiration. But again, that inspiration, one, you don't know exactly what it took for them to get to that level, and two, you don't even know if that same model will work for you. So that's why I do like the idea of the fun the functional way of doing things, getting down to the basic, the bare bones of it, and then building up from there, building your client base from there, building your success from that level, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:05

Absolutely. And the other thing is people don't want to look inside. One of the things I've been gotten feedback from people is I rattle people because I make them think differently, and thinking differently is great, but it also changes your worldview, and not everyone wants to change their worldview. I think afterwards, I was surprised because this talk was very short, and people were coming after, like, oh, I really thought about I already named what they were already thinking, which is that they lost the magic and the joy for the show because they had lost what made them and the all the shoulds of the podcasting industry. This is just one example. I mean, your audience, I'm sure, whatever they do for business, they have an industry where there's like a cottage industry that surrounds the work they do, digital media, social media. And they had to, I was kind of like, why are you listening to random people? Like, they're not paying you. Like a lot of entrepreneurs or creatives, we do this because we want to fully express in who we are, but then we give our power away to everybody else who's not actually writing us a paycheck, is not our client, isn't paying us.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Right. You're right.

SPEAKER_04 12:07

And you got to stop and wonder like, why are you doing that? And I will tell you, because human design is a system that overlaps personal development and business. That spectrum could go anywhere you want, depending on what you do. So for you, this is new. But in the world of human design, let's say you Googled human design coach, you'd have six pages come up on Google.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

So I'm not like this unique entity out here, but it's not much in masculine business because men I find they want this guru. Success leaves clues. Women, I think, are a little bit more entuned and tapped in and open-minded to alternative ways of doing business. So this business world is a little bit more common in the female business owner, solopreneur space. So it overlaps that personal development in business, and we have these isms, right? And so success leaves clues and things like that. And so people are looking for the model of what somebody else did. And there's nothing wrong with having coaches and mentors and skipping mistakes. There's nothing wrong with saying, you know, what this person has been through this before, I don't need to learn the hard way.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

But I think we've gone a little bit to an extreme with that where this person knows all. And I just did an episode about this literally a couple of days ago on Clear Signal talking about you're not effing around and finding out if you're intentionally experimenting.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

A lot of entrepreneurship is experimenting, and we have labeled it as effing around and finding out because it makes people feel like I'm flaky, I don't know what I'm doing, and only by experimenting are you really gonna know is TikTok for you? Do you like YouTube? Do you like podcasting? You get it?

SPEAKER_00 13:57

I'll be honest with you, that is very what you said just now is very powerful. And the reason why I say that is because a lot of times, I'll use me as an example. I've been in a podcast space since around maybe 2016. I've been in the podcast space, right? Off and on. And I've always been trying to find my model to try to find my way. And so typically what I would do is I would go to some of these other podcasters and see, okay, that's not what I want to do. I don't want to do like the gossip podcast, I don't want to do the sports blog podcast or whatever, because everyone does that, right? And so I was like, okay, let me just try to focus on something else. And it took a long time for me to even realize that my power would be more in having conversations with people and also having talks with people about the things that they do. And so the effing around and finding out or whatever, like when it came to becoming an entrepreneur, because I've done several things with my company about the effing around and finding out or whatever, that's one of the things that I would do. I would just, okay, let me just try to do this. Let me find out what's going on, let me figure out what's going on. And in actuality, it's it's a lot more complicated than that. But at the same time, once you get down to what it is that you are supposed to be doing, then it will everything will flow in line like it's supposed to, which is why I wanted to talk, why I wanted to talk about human design. Because when I looked at it, I was like, huh, this is actually right up my alley. First of all, it was extremely accurate when I pulled it up. So I was like, okay, hold on. What the hell is going on? And because it fell in line with every single thing that I had been thinking about over the last ever since I started EC Convos a couple of months ago. It's it literally fell in line with everything. Now, mind you, I have never done human design before. And so I want to share my number. Before we get into that, can you talk to the people a little bit about a broad summary of it?

SPEAKER_04 16:02

Overview. Human design founded in the late 80s by a gentleman from Canada, was a former advertising executive, and it is an amalgamation of four systems. Two of them are divination systems, two of them are energy systems. The energy systems are the chakra system from India and the Kabbalah system from the Tree of Life. The divination systems are the Iching out of China and the Western astrology system. Human design is none of those four systems. Pretend you have a table of four legs. That table is not any one of those legs. If you're a purist astrologer, which I am formally trained in that, you're a purist chakra person, it's not gonna be what you know of those. It's a futuristic system that has blown up since the pandemic in popularity, but it's years old and it's a genius system. If you are a car, you look under the hood of your car, it's actually very complex. I know nothing about cars. So if you try to just understand human design on your own, you're gonna miss it because it's like astrology. You could do like, I'm a Taurus, or it's like you're a hologram of 15,000 energetic placements. Which path do you want to take? It is an algorithm for who you are. It's that simple. Right. If you are a walking electromagnetic frequency, that is how you move through the world, how you make decisions, how you influence, how you attract your role in the world, what's gonna make you excel as a business owner, how you're gonna best attract your people, you name it the business model. There it is.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Okay. That's a really good insight. That's what I gathered from it as well is that it's not one long, one big part of everything. It's like pieces. It's pieces or whatever the thing of things that are very complex. But once you understand the pieces, you will then begin to understand you as a whole and understand the reason why you do things or the reason why you do things, and also the reason why you are accepting of certain things and unforgiving of other things and whatnot. So I have mine right here.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

And for the audience, I'm actually showing her mine. You can barely see it, though. Let me go over the description of the line numbers first. So I have it written down right here. So line one is the investigator, line two, uh, which is driven to research and gather information, seeking a solid foundation of knowledge. Line two is the hermit, naturally talented and prefers solitude to master their skills, to hone their skills and things. Line three is the martyr, which is innovative and adaptable. Am I correct with those so far?

SPEAKER_04 18:28

I would use different words, but yeah, good enough for now.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Number four is the opportunist, which is these are all things that I was able to pull, which they're focused on networking, building relationships and things like that. Number five is the hair the heretic, which is providing solutions, giving universal concepts, or just basically a problem solver. And number six is the role model, which is in they embody wisdom and experience, learn basically from trial and error, and they become more of a guiding figure for others. So I am a six over two.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

Six two, cool. We're a harmonic. I'm a five-one. We're like ice cream chocolate. Yes. We're a good blend.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Right. Yeah. When I looked at it or whatever, the six obviously is the role model, which is funny because I am so focused on being able to help others. Like with my current job right now, I have a couple of people that I mentor. And I've always taken, I've always found happiness in being able to help others get to some other level. And for the longest I just never really understood why, but now I see why. And the two is a responder, which is more of the hermit, the one who likes to do a skill and master a skill and focus mainly on do what you can just to master it and build on that mastery and then just be able to try to help others obtain that mastery as well. Am I correct in that a little bit?

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Or no, I have to stop you there. So do you have the type there listed? Like there should be a generator, manifesting generator, projector, or reflect?

SPEAKER_00 19:56

What are you? Type is a generator.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Okay. That's an assumption. We're 70% of the population. We're the builders. So all of us are here to build mastery in whatever we do.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

We're all the builders, okay? The two line is the natural gift. So you're a role model based on a natural gift that you probably haven't really even. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

SPEAKER_00 20:17

47.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Interesting. So we're we're meeting at a this is not a coincidence. Because you're about to step into your role model, what they call roof era now.

unknown 20:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Between 45 and 50. And you're at 50, although I'm gonna say 45 because I work with a lot of six lines at 45, you start to that's why we're having this conversation. That's why the universe had us do this. Because at 48, you're starting to step into a different era of your journey. All the things you've been through, you probably had a difficult life before 30, you probably went a lot of nonsense before 30. All of that, you're gonna mentor people below you, but maybe young people, yes, so that they don't make the same mistakes you did.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Right. And I do that now. That's that's what I am what I am aligned with right now, yes.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

So what's your natural gift on the spot now?

SPEAKER_00 21:07

My natural gift is counsel, giving giving people counsel, like just helping people out, talking to people about certain things or whatever. I am what I like to call myself a quote magnet, so I'll be able to pull a quote for something and just help other people. And that's I would say that's probably my natural gift is just being able to see, and that's the thing, because I don't want to I think it's more than that, but the immediate thing right now is just being able to help somebody get to the next level. Or writing. I love to write as well, too.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

Okay, and I'd probably be able to find that. I'd be able to, you're a formula. I had a tire situation, I went took it to the tire guy yesterday. I left, he did the thing, I didn't pay attention, I came back, the tire was done. He's a mechanic. So I I'm like a plumber mechanic type. So if you know how to read the stuff, I could go in and say this, this, this. Or if your business wasn't working, I would say this is why. Now you're a mix and match of many lines, those are the most prominent for you. So that's like your role in the world. You're you operate as a vehicle as a 6-2. I drive a civic, but you open up the civic, there's tons of parts.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 22:13

But that's a start, and you're gonna build in m mastery over time. And I already knew the minute we got on the podcast, I'm a very intuitive person. I already knew the minute we got on the podcast, I could probably look in your design and be like, you're meant for a guest show. Because nobody does research anymore. And the fact that you'd already done research on not just my main podcast, but my totally side esoteric, weird podcast. I'm like, okay, this guy is actually curious about people, and you gotta actually be curious about people to do a guest show.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Yes. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

And most people aren't curious about people.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah, and that's what I've learned that the hard I've learned that the hard way, not with this particular, not with EC combos, but I've learned that. If you don't know anything about somebody, then what's the point of even having a conversation with them? If you can't get anything out of out, if you can't get anything from it. So ever since that I said any person that I speak to, I want to know about them. I want to know about not it doesn't necessarily have to be, I don't need to know your innermost thoughts or your personal secrets or anything like that. I want to know just a generalization of who you are, why are you here? Like why what makes you get up in the morning and do what you do? Ever since I've ever since that debacle that I had with one of the one of the previous podcasts or whatever, I made the point to say, you know what? I want to get to know the people I want to get to know people more. And so I've always had a general curiosity for learning people and for talking to people and stuff like that. Because hey, they may provide some type of gems that I can use on the back end.

SPEAKER_04 23:52

Like knowing that you're about to step into your full power, that's important for you to know. And I don't need to know what happened to you before 30, but I know that you probably went through some stuff because as a sick line, that's the formula. I've done enough work with different sixes that I know the formula at this point. That what they went through before 30 might be different, but they've all been through the ringer. Just to do a counter to you, because I'm the quote, not opposite of you, but I'm a very different design than you. I'm a 5'1. The 5'1 is the heretical messenger. We are the visionary problem solver. We live in the future. The founder was a 5-1. So he decided this in 87. Can you imagine talking about this conversation in 87? People would have thought I was Cray Cray. Most people still think I'm Cray Cray, but enough people don't. People who know have heard of this stuff. So one of the challenges with me is I'm like, what's the better wrench? Okay, humanity is doing this. Why aren't we doing this? Functional medicine.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

This. I had my last product line was a prebiotic, probiotic. No one was talking about prebiotics. Everyone was selling probiotics. Prebiotics grow the gut health. So if you take them both together, that's a better wrench. We're in the future and we're often trying to move humanity forward. That is my role. My role is to move humanity forward. Not an easy job. Does it make a little bit more sense now with the type of work I do? Because why would I with an odd and MBA and all my fancy background, why would I just be a highly paid business coach?

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Easy? It's easy, yeah, because it's easy. But that's that's not your design. Let me ask you, do you feel do you feel like you are ahead of the curve when it comes to certain things? Because you mentioned earlier like you live like we are in the future. So even with the prebiotic, probiotic, do you feel like you are ahead of the curve when it comes to people? How do you navigate through that? Knowing that you may be the trailblazer, the one who actually builds the path or who goes down the path first takes the most arrows, and then someone else comes right behind you and just profits off of what you've already built or what you've already blazed the trail for.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

I'm navigating that. I don't have a good answer for you. That's gonna sound sexy. I took me a very long time. I'm 48 years old. It took me a very long time to accept that that was me. I just thought I was crazy. I'm gonna give you a great example. How I said you're a whole Honda Civic, you're not just one piece. I'm a 5'1, that's my profile. But I have a majority of three lines in my chart. So my life has been a lot more trial and error than your typical 5'1. I'm gonna learn through doing things wrong. And when I learned through being visionary through past things where I didn't trust myself, and I looked to the left and the right of me, and nobody could guide me, and I said, Well, you don't know what you're doing, give up. And then someone came behind me and boom. Oh, it's only now I recognize that's who I am, and I'm gonna try to find the right people to guide me, but I don't actually have the answer right now because you're finding me at a cynical stage.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

I believe now there are guides that are visionaries who can guide visionaries. Before that didn't exist, so I'm looking for someone who's not necessarily a visionary, but someone who can take someone's vision and say, okay, this is your vision for now. You're the future, but what can you do now where people can understand it? How can you ground it in today and also plan for the future? Like that that is something that a visionary can't do necessarily. That's more of a strategist's role. So that's not me necessarily.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

The first thing that immediately comes to mind is Steve Jobs, right? How he was somewhat of a visionary, but he wasn't the one who was able to execute the plan. He was able to, he had a team of people behind him. I guess having that team of people, as you said earlier, will allow you to be able to bring your plan, whatever your vision is, bring your vision to the masses. Allow it to be widely acceptable to the masses because you're right. This let me say this. When I mentioned earlier about that, I started podcasting back in 2016, my very first podcast I did was a narrative podcast, like an audio drama, because I was so fascinated with like War of the Worlds and radio shows and things like that or whatever, that was able to tell really good stories on radio or like audio instead of visual. And so I did it, and I was able to accomplish it, and it did pretty decent or whatever, and I was going to do a part two, and I said, No, I'm not gonna do a part two because it even though it did decent, it didn't do as well as I assumed it would do. Now, had I continued on with it, now everyone is doing audio drama, narrative podcasts, and things like that. And I won't say it hurt my feelings a little bit, but it made me sad because it made me feel like, okay, well, if I was one of the first ones to do this, why didn't I continue on with it? I was beating myself up over it, you know what I mean? And so I I understand wholeheartedly how you feel about that because it's like you are the first to do something, and then nobody really pays attention to it, but then next thing you know, someone else does it, and then everyone does it, and then now it's commonplace.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Right. Exactly. And there are probably visionary placements in you, right? Because human design is one aspect. I'm also an astrologer, and there's specific things about me astrologically that make me more of a futurist than just the 5'1. Madonna's a 5-1, so she was a heretic. Remember when like a prayer came out? What a big deal that was, and then a woman just skated to that in the Olympics, right? She was burned at the stake, and now she paved the way for a lot of women doing crazy stuff on stage that come on.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

Right?

SPEAKER_01 29:43

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

The heretic is burned at the stake. So in human design, if you pretend we've got a cake, one, two, three, four, five, six, pretend that the cake has got a chocolate crust in between the line after line four, before line five, like a hard shell crust. The people who are the five, one, me, the people who are the six line, so that'd be a six-two or a six-three. If below the crust is what humanity's doing, above the crust is like future. So I have to break the crust, the hardest job. And then you're a visionary in your own way as a six-line. It's not gonna be the heretic, it's not necessarily the visionary problem solver, the coming up with the cool new thing. It might be like, I don't know what people are talking about in 10 years to your history thing, or I'd have to look at your chart, but like Tony Robbins is a six, too.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:39

Now, people have issues with Tony Robbins. I don't know much about him. He might come out tomorrow being in files and this and that, whatever. I don't do guru worship because there's a human being, so I don't know why we're worshiping human beings. Okay. But you gotta give him his flowers. He was talking about personal development and coaching, and he was doing these big events, and he was on stage kind of a pioneer. Right?

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

He caught copied people, he copied neurolinguistic programming. I believe he copied a lot of what Jim Rome was doing and all these stuff. He didn't invent it, but he's the one who took it to a bigger level. And he's a big guy, he's meant to be a big guy, right? But he's a 6'2.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Okay, that makes sense. Do you think a lot of gurus like him, like uh Earl Nightingale or people like that, or less brown, people like that? Do you think they're 6'2s also? Or it may just be too much.

SPEAKER_04 31:31

It's hard to say, right? Because we're as we're such we're just such a unique flavor.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

We are such we are literally a recipe. I'm gonna give you something that's probably gonna be a little bit too advanced for the audience, but we're gonna we're gonna try, okay? So, this whole notion of human design is passenger consciousness. You're an automated driver car and you go through life based on this algorithm. And if you do the things in line with your design, you're gonna find the people, you're gonna be find yourself in the right place, blah, blah, blah. I don't go that far into it, but let's pretend that's true. Let's pretend there's a driver to this driverless car. That driver is called a gate two. There's one gate in the entire body graph that's called the gate two. I have no six-line energy in my chart at all, but I have one six-line, and that is gate two.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:17

Which means that even though I'm not a six-two, I'm not a six-three, I'm not a four-six, whatever, my life path is going to have three distinct chapters, just like a six-line would. Because my driver of my machine is a six. So I might get up on stage at 50. It's not my role in the world, but I might share a lot in common with six lines in that area because in some ways my life has emulated that of a six. I'm not a mentor, I'm not a coach, but there's aspects of me that are sixy six-y.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Right, right. Right. Is that it? Yeah, there are certain things, certain parts of your life that you were able to, even though you may not be a six, but there are certain parts of your life that you were able to help others navigate through certain things or whatever by training them or mentoring them or whatever. But again, that's not your makeup. It's just it may have been the piece that you needed to do to get your trajectory up to something else. Am I correct with saying that?

SPEAKER_04 33:15

Yeah. It's like I have mentorish vibes about me when I speak. That's not why I'm there. I'm there to be like, there's a different way. Let's try a different way. Very heretical 5-1. My role is to be there as there's a better way, there's a better wrench, you guys. But in my the way that I communicate it, because I've been through so much in my life, so many businesses, so many careers, so many ups and downs, so many life stages, that people are gonna feel like a mentory vibe.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Yeah, they're gonna get that.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

Like she's been there, done that.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Right. I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 33:46

Or you get what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah, I do. I get what you're saying now. Like you said, because you've experienced so many things or whatever, you'll have that vibe of again, a mentor vibe, but not necessarily saying that you this is what your makeup is. You're not made up, you're not that. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

I'm not meant to be a rah-rah. I'm not meant to be Tony Robbins, like you can do it, you know. And a lot of personal development is BS. It's get yourself excited in the moment to buy the course. It's neuroscience, it's elevated emotion. Get yourself in an elevated state so that you are gonna take your credit card out, but then you gotta go home and do the work. And that's where things go wry. This notion of that, like we talked about at the beginning, root cause and so the gold is inside of you. Like you're your design. Like what you're gonna hear to do that's gonna make you shine is in you. So when people work with me, like I root them in what they need to do and they're on their way. So it's moving away from this notion of the answers are outside of ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Right. When you do speak to people, do you speak to people only businesses, or do you deal with everyday people as well?

SPEAKER_04 34:48

I speak to business owners. If I just from marketing, you have one target, it's easier. I'm not a white glove person, and so business owners tend to want to get better and they tend to want to improve. Um, I find a lot of other people, especially if you bring in an energy tool or a spiritual tool to the general public, they're looking for affirmations, they're looking to understand themselves better, information that's fun. They think they treat it like cool. A business owner is like, oh, you mean I can focus on this one platform and I'm gonna attract my client like a magnet and it's gonna be easier? Okay, sign me up. Different.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah, I okay, that makes sense because you're right, like an individual may be like, oh, okay, that's awesome, or they'll they may have a good feeling for it in the moment, but they're not going to apply it like an actual business owner or an entrepreneur will apply it because they know that this is something that will help them later on in this will help them build their brand and build their business.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

I like that. I like that idea.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

They're motivated people, they are motivated to improve. Rubber hits the road, is that they're gonna spend money to make money, entrepreneurs with people, especially as solopreneurs. And we try to delineate that in the masculine, you're a robot. And women don't work that way, right? So human design can be used just for personal development. You could just be a coach, I shouldn't say just, you could be a coach who works with people who are dealing with trauma and use human design. And I'll tell you why. Human design is well beyond what we talked about. It is like where you're influenced, where you take an influence. And where you take an influence is where you're subject to where the car goes off the rails.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

Right.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

Looking for love in the wrong places, spending money on the wrong people, changing your brand 15 times, being friends with people because you want to be liked, whatever, taking in pressure from others. That applies to a regular person. I apply that in line with business, but you could do it on its own as well.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Which does that fall in line with the emotional themes also and the higher emotional themes of human design? Because that's one of the other things, too, that I saw. That was one of the other things that I saw with my human design chart is the higher emotional themes, which mine was satisfaction, and the other one was my emotional theme is frustration.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

Okay. Whoever you printed that chart out, they created their own language. People do that, right? What those actually described what they call self-theme and not self-theme.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Oh, I got it right here. Yeah, I have another one.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You split humans into four types it's generator, manifestor, reflector, projector. Generators and manifesting generators represent 70% of the population. They're the majority of the business owners. A lot of the coaches are projectors. Why? Projectors can see people like a laser. 20% of the population, a lot of spiritualists, a lot of openness. Look at your chart. You see how those things colored in?

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

A lot of projectors are not going to have that colored in. So they are reflecting the person in front of them.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Then they got the reflector, which is 1% of the population, and then they've got the manifestor, which is 9% of the population. The guy who founded this is a manifestor. They are way in the future. They are like the keys that start in the car for Okay. Now we're getting really complicated. Each of those four types have what they call a self-theme and a not self-theme. The self-theme is like, okay, I'm on the right track, I feel good. Not self-theme, I'm not on the right track. Don't feel good. So for us and for generators, it's a satisfaction.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

The not-self is frustration. Sounds simplistic, kind of hard to articulate. This is important for what we talked about because a lot of times, particularly in like creative projects or what you did with your history show, you were focusing on the wrong metrics. We have limited time and money, so we gotta cut things that don't make sense. But maybe you were satisfied by it, but you were looking at popularity or downloads or praise.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

That's exactly what I was looking for. I will be 1,000% blunt and honest with it. That I was looking for not necessarily praise, but I was looking for downloads, looking for acceptance, looking for just people gravitating towards it, talking about it. I was hyped with the with the idea of it being of the most popular podcast on Apple at the time. I was focused on the wrong metrics. Instead of just speaking to people or just allowing the public to to read it and to get or to listen to it and to resonate with it and stuff like that. This reminds me of A Thousand True Fans by Kevin Kelly. I don't know if you've ever heard of that before.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

I have.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Yeah, so that's had I listened had I read that before I did my podcast, then I would have been in a much better space. But I was so focused on again, I was focused not again, not to praise, but I was so focused on the downloads and focused on the money part of it. And I shouldn't have been that I shouldn't have did that.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

If you had focused on the satisfaction piece of it, that might have gone in a different direction. The human design for a business, when we start to get into this, it gets very off the rails because like we focus on what's satisfying, not what we should do. And then it's like, okay, well, how are we paying the bills? That doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? This is a little bit of a gray area. But I want to make bring this up because you mentioned my other podcast, The Dark Matters Show. And I don't normally bring that up because it is controversial, it is heretical, says stuff that people may not agree with in a way that people may not agree with. That I swear a lot, I do characters. It's like my playground. And it has evolved. It was called the cosmic alarm clock show to the cosmic brew show to the dark matter show. And the dark matter is a play on dark matter's physics, and dark matter is a stuff we don't talk about.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

It is very good. Got it? It's very, very good. Like, I mean, both of you are really, really good. The dark matter one is I don't know. It's out there, and I gravitate more towards that one because it's like obviously you're speaking your mind. You're getting out whatever needs to be, whatever you have inside of you, you're getting it out. For instance, one of the episodes I listened to, you're talking about when you purchased a new phone and how uh your new iPhone and you said something about uh like I bought a new iPhone. It's not the new iPhone, but it's an iPhone, one of the newer ones. And then you started talking about how your friend was telling you about the camera, about like don't get the camera with the air. It was out there, but it was really, really, really good though. And thank you. I like that podcast. Again, I I like both of them equally as much, but that one is just a little bit more because it it talks about things that grind your gears, like what like what pisses you off in the moment and the thoughts and everything that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

I use that as improv.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

I use that show, I do pick characters, but so I also talk about dark matter. So, you know, I have an episode coming up where I talk about how everyone's so keen on this young man who did the backflip at the skating in Olympics. Mikhail, I'm sorry, and I'm not taking anything away from him. I'm like, let's talk about Surya Bonaly.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 41:50

Let's talk about the African-American woman who didn't get her flowers, who was an Aries, she was a pioneer, and let's give the woman her flowers.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Yeah, because it was banned, right? Like they was banned. But they banned it, banned her from being able to do it or something like that. And yeah, she was the first one to do it. But now the I think the guy's name is the quad guide or whatever they call it.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

Yeah. And that's great, but no one's talking about that. And I want to talk about that because there was race involved with that, and there was other things involved with that, and prejudice involved with that. Let's talk about it. Dark matters, let's talk about it. Not taking anything away from that young man. It's just let's give the woman our flowers. So um, that's part of my design, is I always will gonna respect the pioneers, like I just did with Tony Robbins. I'm always gonna give people our flowers. That show is a lot. I'm literally Linda Richmond one minute. I went off and she a Bonnie Creamer, then I talk about but if you are an astrology buff, what that show was for four years was everything that happened in the political scene through the planetary, what I said was gonna happen. So this is a great thing because I kept going with that show only because I did no marketing, didn't tell anybody about it. So I can't expect people to find it out of magic sauce. But I was like, I'm gonna feel unsatisfied if I don't finish what I started, because to me, I feel like we were in a shift for four years. I feel like we're on the other side of that shift now. News is gonna news, unraveling is gonna happen, change is gonna happen in society, but I feel like the what was gonna shift is kind of done. And I talked about it for four years, and that feels really satisfying to me.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

That means if nobody heard it.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Just being able to get it out is actually just it's most important, actually, more important to just get it out versus to get people to listen to it. I mean, I will tell you, just continue to do it because it's actually very good. Like your podcast Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

I really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

We are very critical of our sero of ourselves or whatever, and a lot of it is the imposter syndrome, right? Like, okay, I just hope I do a good job. I don't know if I'm gonna do a good job on it.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

And sometimes we have to climb past that and focus on it anyway and get to it. Just do it.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Yeah. And I think people say, oh, that's confidence. I'm a very confident person. I'm a very accomplished person on paper. I think if you care, you are an imposter syndrome. I literally said everyone listening to the podcast, meaning the dark matter show, thinks I'm crazy. That's what I honestly thought. And it's gonna totally ruin my professional reputation because I talk about controversial things, but I'm still gonna do it because the 5-1 has to push the button. Then in the talk I gave on Saturday, I was like, everybody hated it, but then everyone came up to me afterwards. That was really great.

unknown 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

And there's a woman who does professional speaking, and she's like, You're a professional speaker. She's like, You are better than other people who are really known. And I'm gonna tell you, I've been a guest on many podcasts. My friend, you are very Very, very good. Thank you. Thank you. As a host. Your voice, your presence, the questions you ask, the research you do, I am very impressed.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Thank you so much for that because it it took a lot of years to get to this point. But that's what we that's what we do, though. Try not to have the imposter syndrome and just again get to know people. Just do what you can. Like my podcast is all about having cool conversations with cool people. So the goal is to always be able to find out who this person is, talk to them what they love, what they don't love, what grinds their gears, and everything like that. Which actually that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you about. The last question I wanted to ask you was what in this given this current climate right now, like with everything going on, what grinds your gears the most?

SPEAKER_04 45:50

In business, in I mean, come on, I'm a heretic. You gotta pick a lane here.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Just in the okay, so like the one thing right now, it can be business, personal, it can be things related to to the dark matter show, it can be things related to clear signal. It doesn't matter. Like, what's the one thing that grinds your gears the most?

SPEAKER_04 46:09

But say the one thing that grinds my gears is now that human design has become maybe not to the general public, but it is a cottage industry, is the whole point of human design is that we're moving humanity forward. We're not doing business the way we used to. But anytime you've got money where there's smoke, there's fire. So now everyone, okay, it's my world, reticular activating system. I'm gonna see everyone, even if no one else has heard of it. Everyone's selling my chat GPT prompt. Here's the one placement you need to magnetize your ideal client. Get my course, and you're gonna have your unique special blueprint. And I'm like, what are we doing? We're doing the same wine in a different bottle. And the founder who's no longer with us would have rolled over in his grave.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

Explain a little bit more about that. When you mention about the people providing their own prompts, their own chat GPT prompts.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Look, we gotta get people on an email list, and someone like you, I get on a podcast and I tell you it's complex, someone else is like, it's really simple. You want to know you're a human design, go to my da-da-da.com and then they're gonna go on that email list because it's easy for them. I get it. But it doesn't work that way. First of all, AI for human design, not up to snuff yet. The AI human design is not there. So whatever AI is, it's a generative model. Remember this AI is pulling from the web. So they're pulling for whatever website is crap. If it's crap, they're pulling from it. And so if you're doing a prompt that this is your this, it's garbage and you're giving people garbage. And it's like if you're gonna give people garbage, why are we claiming that there's a new way? Why are you saying you're doing a new paradigm business and then doing the same tactics that this whole thing was designed to rally against, which is this notion that we are there's this magic sauce.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

So I get passionate because people are full of nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Yeah, and as you said before, people were just trying to sell something, they're just trying to make they're trying to become millionaires, you know. And if they they feel that if they can do it by cutting curves or whatever, just if they can do that by just selling it to the masses, then they're gonna do it with without any recourse of how it actually impacts the person that's actually purchasing it. They don't care, they just want to make money from it.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

And when you do complicated things like this, yeah, you don't know anything about any different. So let's say you put your design in and the 6-2 is you are a investigative, like I corrected you. You'd been like, I'm an investigator. No, the one-line's the investigator. You are the natural gift, which labels don't matter. That's not the point. The point is you're gonna use a piece of fitness equipment, understand how that equipment works. I'm a one-line, I need to have a PhD and everything because I'm gonna go extreme. But that's why people hire me because they're like, no one knows more than you, let's I'm just gonna hire you. Other people are like, give me the five-minute overview, I don't care. Not my client.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Not your client. You need to you need it broken down or you need to with this type of information. It's complex, as you said before, and you need to be able to again break it down to more of a cellular level for them to be able to understand it. Because if they just want the microwave version of it, then that's not your client.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

You also need to be able to do what I said on your audience and what I did on Saturday, talk about the salad bar. Yeah. You need to be able to one thing where you're not like, you need to know everything to understand it. Like to answer your question is that people are doing the same wine, different bottle, but saying it's new paradigm business. If you're gonna do old paradigm bro business, just do old paradigm bro business and don't pretend.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

I like that. I like that a lot. So many people are doing that now, or they're trying to do that now, or are they trying to bring it back or something? It's frustrating. It can definitely be frustrating.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Sunita, thank you so much for this conversation.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

I really thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

I do have one more question to ask, though.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Go for it.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

If there is one thing you can recommend, whether it be a book, a movie, TV show, anything that you can recommend to the audience, what would it be and why?

SPEAKER_04 50:26

It's gonna sound like such a trite answer, but I'm gonna say it anyway. The Alchemist. The book The Alchemist.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

The reason is is because I think that's a book that even if your folks have read it before, I think you should read it once every ten years because it is a book that ages well and you're a different person and you're gonna get a different lens every time.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

I read that book back in 2013. And I need to pick it up again because that book actually it helped me a lot when it came to because back in 2013 I was like trying to get into filmmaking and whatnot, and it actually helped me a lot. And um, yeah, the universe is conspiring in your favor.

SPEAKER_04 51:08

There is no coincidence of a why I'm on this show telling you you're about to hit the roof.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 51:14

You were meant to cross paths with me to tell you that because that's part of my design. I cross people at evolutionary pivot points in their life. Great book. And just to quickly share, you mentioned Clear Signal, my main podcast. That podcast had six names, and one of the first ones was The Aligned Alchemist, based on the journey of that book. It was this notion of as entrepreneurs, we are on this alchemical journey discovering who we really are, what our gifts are, what we're really here to do. And we're on a quest, and that was kind of the genesis and the muse for the podcast in the first place.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

I love it. I love that. And you need to keep doing it, keep doing both of them, obviously. The clear signal one, definitely, because people need to know, especially business owners and entrepreneurs, they need to know how to be able to instead of doing the same thing that everyone else does, dig a little deeper. You know what I mean? Dig deeper and figure out exactly what it takes to be able to get to the next level without without doing the commonness of everyone else. So great talk. Great talk. Where can everyone really enjoyed it? Yeah, where can everyone find you?

SPEAKER_04 52:24

Clear signal, the podcast is on all the main players. I have a link tree I can give you if you want to put it in your show notes.

SPEAKER_01 52:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:32

My YouTube channel has a lot of foundational content. So if you're new to human design, you're like, what's there? I've got a lot of great foundational videos that are very efficient, 15 minutes, 20 minutes. It'll give you a really good foundation.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

And they're really good, y'all. I went to the YouTube page as well. They're really good.

SPEAKER_04 52:47

Again, you are on it.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

I did. I did my research because I I need to know, I especially when I found out that you focus a lot on human design. I said, okay, let me find out what human design is. And so once I realized what it was, I started digging more into your stuff and started kind of like aligning with everything that you're saying. So yeah, it's great. Great content, y'all. Definitely check it out. So thank you so much again, Sunita, for this conversation. It's been a pleasure. I appreciate it. I really do.

SPEAKER_04 53:15

Thank you. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

All right. Until the next time, y'all, this is EC Convos, and we will see you again. Peace.